2. SUBSCRIBING,
UNSUBSCRIBING, AND TROUBLESHOOTING
2.1
What's the difference between Kiai and Kiai-digest?
2.2 How to subscribe
to Kiai
2.3
How to unsubscribe from Kiai
2.4
How to switch your subscription to a new account
2.5 I'm
going on vacation. How can I stop receiving messages?
2.6
Troubleshooting: I sent a subscribe/unsubscribe request and I got
an error message, or nothing happened.
2.7 Troubleshooting:
I subscribed to Kiai, but I've been mysteriously switched to Kiai-Digest!
2.8 Troubleshooting:
I subscribed to Kiai, but I've been mysteriously unsubscribed!
3. POSTING TO KIAI
3.1 How do I
post a message?
3.2 What are
appropriate posts?
3.3 I subscribed,
and sent a message, but it was rejected!
4. OTHER STUFF
4.1
Who did those great graphics on the homepage?
4.2 Are messages
archived?
4.3
I desperately need to contact a human being!
1.1 What is Kiai?
Kiai is a mailing list for women martial artists and women interested
in the martial arts. It includes women from a variety of martial arts traditions,
experience levels, ages, and nationalities.
We started the list in 1996 after coming home from Special Training, an amazing annual training event held by the National Women's Martial Arts Federation . We wanted to keep some of that energy with us through the year.
The list is named for the Japanese word meaning, roughly, a shout that shows your fighting spirit.
If you are a woman and a martial artist, or a woman who is interested
in martial arts, you are welcome here.
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1.2 What is discussed
on Kiai?
The list is here for women martial artists to share their experiences
and discuss issues of interest to women martial artists. .
Discussions have included cross-training, self defense, managing practice
time, blisters, teaching, Special
Training,..... the list goes on.
1.3 What's
the volume of messages?
Traffic levels are moderate, between 1 and 30 messages a day.
You can subscribe to the digest format, which usually produces 1-2 digests
per day.
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2.SUBSCRIBING, UNSUBSCRIBING, AND TROUBLESHOOTING
2.1
What's the difference between Kiai and Kiai-Digest?
Delivery time.
Kiai delivers messages as soon as they come in. Kiai-digest sends out messages in batches, as soon as ten messages are received or once a day, whichever comes first.
All messages wind up in the same place, whether sent to kiai or kiai-digest.
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If you are a woman and a martial artist, or a woman who is interested in martial arts, you are welcome here.
We run on the honor system. It's not always possible to dermine someone's gender from their name, and it's impractical to fly around the world challenging subscribers to hand-to-hand combat. The occasional non-woman non-martial artist joins, but they've always been respectful when asked to leave.
First, log in to the account you'll receive mail at. Majordomo will take your address from the From: line in your message.
To subscribe to the regular format, send e-mail to majordomo@apocalypse.org
with a message body of
subscribe kiai
and nothing else.
To subscribe to the digest, send an e-mail message to majordomo@apocalypse.org
with a message body of
subscribe kiai-digest
and nothing else.
See "What's the difference between Kiai and Kiai-Digest?" if you're not sure which you want.
Majordomo will reply with a confirmation message. Follow its directions,
and you will be on the list.
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2.3 How to
unsubscribe from Kiai
You can remove yourself from Kiai at any time.
Send mail to majordomo@apocalypse.org with the following command in
the body of your e-mail message:
unsubscribe kiai
unsubscribe kiai-digest
... and nothing else. If you can't remember which list you subscribed to, include both commands.
It's important to keep it simple -- Majordomo will be confused if you
include any other text in the message and will not unsubscribe you.
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2.4
How to switch your subscription to a new account
If you change email providers, you can switch your subscription like
this:
1) Log in to your new account and send a subscription request. Follow the instructions in the confirmation message to complete the request.
2) When your new account is on, log in to your old account and send
an unsubscribe request.
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2.5 I'm going on vacation. How
can I stop receiving messages?
Unfortunately, Majordomo is not sophisticated enough to have a "pause"
button. You have to unsubscribe and rejoin.
First, bookmark this page so you can get to the instructions..
Then unsubscribe from the list.
Resubscribe when you get back.
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2.6 Troubleshooting:
I sent a subscribe/unsubscribe request and I got an error message,
or nothing happened.
Let's troubleshoot. It's a drag, but you'll get faster results if you
try to solve it yourself.
1) Did you send your request to majordomo@apocalypse.org
?
Do not send requests to Kiai. Majordomo, the program that powers
all the mailing lists at apocalypse.org, is too polite to read someone
else's mail. It only reads things sent directly to it.
2) Did you follow the directions exactly?
Majordomo is not very bright. It only understands things in
the form <command> <mailing list name>
Specifically:
subscribe kiai
subscribe kiai-digest
unsubscribe kiai
unsubscribe kiai-digest
It's important to include the name of the list, because there are many lists at apocalypse.org .
3) Did you use the right list name?
If you're subscribing, and Majordomo says it doesn't have a list by
that name, check the spelling.
If you're unsubscribing from Kiai, and Majordomo says you're not on
that list, maybe you're subscribed to Kiai-Digest. Try again with
the other name, or unsubscribe from both at once.
unsubscribe kiai
unsubscribe kiai-digest
4) Did you send the command from the address you subscribed with?
When Majordomo figures out who to do the command to, it uses the From:
address by default. Sometimes this causes problems with unsubscribing.
Majordomo is not very bright. If the From: address doesn't match a subscriber
address exactly, Majordomo doesn't know who you're talking about.
Common situations are:
The best, fastest solution is to log in to your old account, and
send the unsubscribe request from there.
The other solution is to add the username to the unsubscribe command:
unsubscribe kiai
yourOldAccount@yourOldProvider.com
unsubscribe kiai-digest
yourOldAccount@yourOldProvider.com
This will take longer. Majordomo will notice
the mismatch between the From: address and the address you specified. It
will send your message to an administrator for human attention. We do not
always answer requests in a timely fashion.
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2.7 Troubleshooting:
I subscribed to Kiai, but I've been mysteriously switched to Kiai-Digest!
Sounds like you were away from e-mail recently.
Some subscribers, such as Hotmail or university accounts, have a size limit on how much their mailbox holds. When the quota is reached, the internet provider rejects the incoming mail, and bounces every message back to us.
Every. Single. Message.
This gets ugly fast. But rather than just unsubscribe users, we switch them to the digest for a while. This cuts down the number of bounces by a factor of ten. Our mailboxes stop filling up, we're happy.
To switch yourself back, subscribe
to kiai. When you've gotten the confirmation message, unsubscribe
from kiai-digest.
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2.8 Troubleshooting:
I subscribed to Kiai, but I've been mysteriously unsubscribed!
Mail sent to your account bounced for a long time, and we gave up hope
on you returning.
We like growing the community, so we're conservative about unsubscribing
people. If a subscriber was over quota, and stayed that way
for a long time, we remove them. We immediately remove subscribers
if the internet provider says there's no such address. We do
not remove subscribers if it looks like the internet provider is having
some temporary problem.
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3.1 How do I post
a message?
Once you're subscribed to the list, you can post to the list by sending
email to kiai@apocalypse.org.
All the mail from kiai and kiai-digest goes to the same place; it doesn't
matter which you subscribed to.
Only list members may post to the list.
Please remember that this mailing list is "open", meaning that
anyone can potentially subscribe to it.
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3.2 What are
appropriate posts?
Appropriate topics are things of interest to women, or martial artists,
and preferably both. Posters should be respectful of one another.
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3.3 Troubleshooting:
I subscribed, and tried to post, but the message was rejected!
Did the error message say the post was too long? Majordomo has
a maximum message length. This usually affects messages with attachments.
Did the error message say you're not a subscriber? Kiai is configured such that only subscribers can post. Majordomo, as mentioned above, is not very bright. It looks at your From: address, and looks at the list of subscribers, and only accepts it when there's an exact message.
Some internet providers stamp outgoing mail a little differently from your address. E.g. your address may be martialArtist@dojo.com , but the email system will stamp it as from martialArtist@mail.dojo.com .
If this is the case, send mail to
owner-kiai@apocalypse.org
describing the problem. Please tell us the name you're subscribed under!
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4.1
Who did those great graphics on the homepage?
They were done by April Miller.
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4.2 Are messages archived?
Not at this time.
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4.3
I desperately need to contact a human being!
Send mail to owner-kiai@apocalypse.org
.
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